Curse

stamenflicker · Mar 26, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

I personally prefer barrier to bond when I'm farming, forget the extra elite. Sometimes I will take bond and SoJ though in Sorrow's Furnace. What I can't stand though is having someone tell me I'm an idiot for taking Life Barrier when I could be taking Life Bond. I've had them kick me out of their groups before in SF runs because I take Barrier. Doesn't matter to them if my groups seldom die, or if I prefer not confusing my healer by taking damage every time the tank gets hit.

People have their own builds for these things, some of them flat out don't work. But just because someone else is going a different route in their build, doesn't mean they are a noob.

I remember before the AOE nerf trying to get a group to pick up a smiting monk instead of an Ele in Sorrow's Furnace brought only laughter. But my Ele groups failed much more often than my smiting groups. I also remember trying my dangest to get these Ele groups to take an echo SS necro instead of an Ele, but that didn't work either.

Fact of the matter was, people read that the true five man build was 2 monks, Warrior, and Ele back before the AOE nerf and they refused to listen to anyone else.

Even now, try to talk an SF group into letting you take Sympathetic Visage and you'll get booted 9 times out of 10. People get set in their ways and refuse to try new things, thinking those of us who do are somehow idiots.

Flicka

Racthoh · Mar 26, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Bond and Barrier both suck in PvE. Warrior takes aggro, warrior only one taking damage, warrior has good armour. Every other mob has Shatter Enchantment, and quite frankly I don't like running into battle with 100 health missing from my bar. Unless for some reason you like when the battle turns into complete chaos, everyone is getting attacked, curses are spread out, you need to kite. Seriously, with the way everyone exploits everything why every other warrior can't take aggro is beyond me.

If you're debating on taking Barrier, bring Spell Breaker instead. Warriors have 100+ AL vs. physical, with that single spell you can make them immune to their weak spot long enough to take out the threats.

Lady Lorwinia · Mar 26, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

"Ofcourse, with my american background I flashed my Rank 3 emote at his face and rage quit."

Typical americans

I'm not american but I would have quit anyway. Not rage quit of course.

Just no point in wasting time.

Tarkin · Mar 26, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

At time i play FOW 2 times by day, the trick is a warriror agroo first and get all care from monks prot and heal... this allways work for me... never see a monk spree enchant for every ones... at last the mesmers will take off the enchants and deal damage... and what we will get? a helling monk crazy trying to heal everyone and a prot monk stoped with enchants...
In the time of elite partys everytone care about yourself...

Hockster · Mar 26, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Seeing threads like this, where most everyone is perfect, makes me glad I almost never put up with PUG's.

fgarvin · Mar 27, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

Ha, got you beat, never pug'd before....well, do infusion runs count?

Sayshina · Mar 27, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

Maybe I'm an idiot, maybe I simply don't understand how to bond in SF. But I always assume the stance tank is a moron and plan accordingly.

I run Barrier, Bond, and Watchfull Spirit (I've yet to see anyone else run this one there).

The tank gets all 3, the rest get Barrier and Watchfull. That's 9 total.

Watchfull is there to cover, and if the healer goes down I have used it to keep everyone alive long enough to rez him. It also seems to help the tank run for it, but I'm not sure how bad that tank has to be to need it.

My personal biggest problem is teams that don't seem to understand that Bonders and MM's need to stop a lot, and we tend to get left behind. That's not the end of the world for the MM, but as a bonder it leaves a ton of work to start over.

The other prob is how few guys seem to realize that giving me a single E boost cuts my set up time at least by half.

It would be easy to claim that the build only works because of the AI workaround, but I've had the tank drop his item and try to fight at least 1/3 of the time in PuG's. I've also had the tank not be a tank at all, but set up for smiting as though he were solo farming. I've had the healer run way too close to the fight, and the Nuker act like he was invincible.

One thing I've never done is flash an emote at someone. But that's just me.

Personal note to Gun: You're just going to the wrong clubs my friend. If it weren't for this pesky war going on now, I'd suggest you join the military. They say you'll see the world, which will be mostly a lie. But you WILL see a very large number of very poor but attractive women, who are more than willing to be your friend as long as your money doesn't run out.

I'm not really recomending that as a lifestyle choice, if you have any sort of moral compass at all you'll feel at least somewhat guilty about it. But you do seem to be searching, so I thought I'd let you know what you've been doing wrong. Might I suggest the PI, or even Juarez or TJ as places to start?

stamenflicker · Mar 27, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Bond and Barrier both suck in PvE. Warrior takes aggro, warrior only one taking damage, warrior has good armour. Every other mob has Shatter Enchantment, and quite frankly I don't like running into battle with 100 health missing from my bar. Unless for some reason you like when the battle turns into complete chaos, everyone is getting attacked, curses are spread out, you need to kite. Seriously, with the way everyone exploits everything why every other warrior can't take aggro is beyond me.

If you're debating on taking Barrier, bring Spell Breaker instead. Warriors have 100+ AL vs. physical, with that single spell you can make them immune to their weak spot long enough to take out the threats.

I've not seen warriors survive long against 20 dredge warriors and rangers in the heart of SF without a bond. Sure maybe if you want to pull them 4 at a time, he'll be fine. That method takes all day. But if you want in and out within a 1/2 hour, bonds are required.

As to taking out threats quickly, a warrior is all but useless dealing damage in SF when facing two priests of sorrows, or worse, two priests and healing boss. He's pretty much just there to absorb the aggro.

Flick

Sents · Mar 27, 2006, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Ya you had my sympathy until you started talking about the leet deer emote, and the american way of GW. Give me a break, your just as bad as the idiot, just you might know how to play better. And you show your own noobishness by assuming because of his armor that he would be an experienced player.

Age · Mar 27, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16

B.S. is nice and eveything to get enrgy back and all but you don't need to throw bonds on everyone just those who are in melee range.I was a bonder once but never used B.S. as you get it later in the game after Life Bond.I only threw it on those in melee range this was at level 13 around Kyrta.I used it in Gates mission worked really well and that was last May.I didn't have great enrgy supply to boot either.

Gun Pierson · Mar 27, 2006, 05:18 AM // 05:18

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Originally Posted by Sayshina

Personal note to Gun: You're just going to the wrong clubs my friend. If it weren't for this pesky war going on now, I'd suggest you join the military. They say you'll see the world, which will be mostly a lie. But you WILL see a very large number of very poor but attractive women, who are more than willing to be your friend as long as your money doesn't run out.

I'm not really recomending that as a lifestyle choice, if you have any sort of moral compass at all you'll feel at least somewhat guilty about it. But you do seem to be searching, so I thought I'd let you know what you've been doing wrong. Might I suggest the PI, or even Juarez or TJ as places to start?

I had a good laugh reading this

I'll be happy to inform Chris Rock, the one who used the champane quote in a song. Those places you suggest might be good places to start 'bonding' for some of us.

studentochaos · Mar 27, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Bonding is inherently a lazyman job. It isn't so much with the active play. That said, anyone who can't do it without a battery necro is simply an idiot.

Gold deer means you are right? Prolly as true as black 15k plate and a fellblade make you good.

blackbane · Mar 28, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

As i was wondering through the forums I found a fame farming service. Yes i guess you can call it the occasional iway deer but i earned mine with a bunch of friends.... had fun owning unexpirienced players and had even more fun getting owned by expirienced ones. We learned a lot by losing and i think that makes me a better player. On the subject I have never seen as much disrespect at a european server as i have in american, im not trying to be stereotyping but im pretty damn sure the word noob was around in america sooner then it was europe. As for the disrespect and ego on both sides, i dont take it lightly, if im sure of something, sure what the hell ill go off on the person untill he sh!ts his damn pants. I dont like dealing with kids but thats just a factor of the game and its totally fine. As far as bonding goes, to reply to one of your comments, bonders arent needed in fow huh? Well then pal u try outhealing a 140 dmg deepfreeze to multiple allies while getting maelstormed and energy surged. The hell u dont even need healers the tanks armor is so high!!!!!

blackbane · Mar 28, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Reply to sents: The other day I decided to go to fow, i came across a pretty good looking group, the monk had fow armor. At this point i could think two things, A: Monk sucks, Ebayed his way to armor. B: Monk is good, worked hard and spent time on the game improving his builds. This time sterotyping worked positivly, i suspected the monk will be good, and what do u know, 2 hours later and 25k richer im sitting here writing to you guys. As far as me stooping down to his level, but being more expirienced, your totally right, i 100% agree with you..... EXCEPT WITH ONE FACTOR, He messed up, i confronted him, i finished it. done. IF, IF , IF , IF he didnt say he was so gdamn good with fow, telling me what to do, telling me that i should bring 5 bonds? i wouldnt have reacted like that, cause and effect he had it coming and it came to him strong.

Racthoh · Mar 28, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by blackbane

As far as bonding goes, to reply to one of your comments, bonders arent needed in fow huh? Well then pal u try outhealing a 140 dmg deepfreeze to multiple allies while getting maelstormed and energy surged. The hell u dont even need healers the tanks armor is so high!!!!!

Firstly, bonds don't trigger on magical damage. Second, if your idiot allies are dumb enough to bunch up knowing full well that AoEs are coming, how you managed to get to the skeletons in the first place is beyond me. Personally I just slap a Spell Breaker on our aggro grabbing tank and watch them wand our warrior for 0.

Sekkira · Mar 28, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

Active prot ftw.

blackbane · Mar 28, 2006, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Wrong again man, after the icehands and ethers waste some spells on the warrior, they go straight for the near by nukers and monks. Thus making the warrior sit there like an idiot while the team gets owned. As far as the AoE spreading.... oh please i cant tell u how many people never spread out at the skeletons. You tell them to spread out, sure they'll do it now u gotta chase em around trying to heal.

blackbane · Mar 28, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Active prot isnt an option because of the low conditions caused by the enemy and 1 infuser could not handle the dmg spike from the lvl 24-28 monsters, thus making bonders the best avialable choice.

Sekkira · Mar 28, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

You have no idea how to play an active prot then.

blackbane · Mar 28, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Reply to age: People in who go into fow must be ascended, with that said they should have a good majority of skills unlocked, i dont suggest bonding in the early process in the game because you just DONT need it. Anyway, most people nowadays have droknars armor at low levels so bonders are a waste, boon prot and healer is what u should use at low level. Balthazars spirit SHOULD be used by people who use life bond, anyone who doesnt take advantage of the energy upkeep it gives you should reconsider their build.

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Originally Posted by Sents

Ya you had my sympathy until you started talking about the leet deer emote, and the american way of GW. Give me a break, your just as bad as the idiot, just you might know how to play better. And you show your own noobishness by assuming because of his armor that he would be an experienced player.

From exirience it is easy to assume people with larger values of armor are more expirenced because their playing was worth while. HE HAD A piece of fow armor. Hmmmm lets see, would u think he is expirenced if he had something worth 100k from the place??? I didnt make a bad mistake and i am not just as bad as the idiot, Noobishness has nothing to do with judgement, so once again your wrong. The american ways are the american ways, as i said before there is 10 times as much disrespect in american servers then u will ever see in european.